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Post by The Commish on Jul 29, 2009 22:29:23 GMT -5
I loved Mexico, but I didn't like how Robert pushed Holly aside to go off on adventure..........but he did come back down to earth and realize what was important. ;D
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Post by lakesgirl on Jul 30, 2009 18:29:47 GMT -5
^^ I didn't like that either, Commish. Robert kept going on and on about the "good old days" and a year earlier he was telling Holly he didn't miss that life. Plus, it wasn't believable that Robert yearned for Sean's life - it should have been the other way around - Sean wanting Robert's life. ;D
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Post by robertluvsholly on Jul 30, 2009 19:39:43 GMT -5
I agree. I loved Luke and Robert together since Ice Princess storyline, passing through David Gray s/l (Are there no clips of this S/L?), Oil Scam and, of course, Prometheus Disk s/l. In Mexico they are at their best and i loved how three of them were with each other. There was NOTHING between Luke and Holly, it's so clear! It's completely clear. I loved the Mexican adventure and i loved watching Luke, Robert, and Holly together! THAT was gold.
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Post by Giada on Jul 31, 2009 3:05:02 GMT -5
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Post by lakesgirl on Jul 31, 2009 9:26:20 GMT -5
Yes and I loved when Holly breaks their car and, after, takes a picture. She is fantastic! And she is fantastic when she doesn't talk to Robert in the swimming pool. But he is so persuasive Yea, that swimming pool scene is HOT! I loved how Robert threw her in and the slow motion kissing - see my avatar! The only bad thing about the scene is that Emma couldn't BREATHE!
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Post by Giada on Jul 31, 2009 10:14:17 GMT -5
Who could breathe kissing Tristan in a swimming pool? ;D ;D Tremendous chemistry in this scene between these two Do you know if this scene is in part ad-libbed? Emma tries desperately to do not laugh ;D I forgot this scene when I wrote my three scenes but this is perfect to explain Robert and Holly's love, sexual attraction, sweetness and fun.
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Post by Valerie on Jul 31, 2009 10:44:29 GMT -5
Who could breathe kissing Tristan in a swimming pool? ;D ;D Tremendous chemistry in this scene between these two Do you know if this scene is in part add-libbed? Emma tries desperately to do not laugh ;D I forgot this scene when I wrote my three scenes but this is perfect to explain Robert and Holly's love, sexual attraction, sweetness and fun. I seem to recall seeing the swimming pool scene posted somewhere from the actual script, and it was completely different. So yeah...I almost certain the scene that aired was ad-libbed. ;D
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Post by The Commish on Aug 2, 2009 3:44:31 GMT -5
I love that they were allowed to ad-lib scenes. The writers weren't so insecure back then, apparently. ( or weren't such control freaks )
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Post by tidewater on Aug 2, 2009 5:41:46 GMT -5
It's more like GM, the EP, wasn't such a control freak that she would squash a good thing. I don't think the writers had as much control over things under GM as Guza does now.
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Post by mike on Aug 2, 2009 10:23:32 GMT -5
I think that's the amazing thing about Gloria Monty. On the one hand, she was a control freak in that she had a firm vision for the show and she made that happen. But---she was so saavy that she would never---as Tidewater said---squash a good idea. If the ad libbed scene was better than what was written---she went with it. If the audience overwhelmingly wanted Robert and Holly instead of Luke and Holly---she'd ditch all her plans and change course. She was one smart woman usually.
Nowadays, yeah---I don't think there's much in the way of adlibbing. Imagine if they had given Tristan and Emma free reign in 2006----I am sure that travesty would've turned out alot differently.
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Post by robertluvsholly on Aug 2, 2009 11:43:39 GMT -5
GM was a great EP. And I really do wish Tristan and Emma were able to have made sense of the feb 2006 scenes. It would have been and could have been amazing.
I do see why ad-libbing is frowned upon and is really limited. It's considered very unprofessional and the reason it's frowned upon is for a few reasons. The cameras and Technical Director and the Director NEED to know what is going to be said and when. Soaps do a big portion of the editing on the fly, during the scene and the cameras aren't isolated. That means- while there are 3 cameras- only the selected camera is recording. So, it makes it incredibly difficult to properly shoot scenes.
Also, you need to have people who can handle it in a scene. It's really easy to get lost in a scene- someone needs to be able to respond properly to whatever's being said. I've seen some actresses struggle when in a scene with an actor improvising. They know the script and their cue and get completely lost when their partner is not saying their lines.
and last- in other formats- it's single camera and you have to say the exact same thing each time or it won't match properly in editing.
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Post by lakesgirl on Aug 2, 2009 13:18:50 GMT -5
I get that ad-libbing is not very popular and not good for the show. I just wish GH had an EP that had it's viewers in mind when creating the show. Gloria Monty was a strong willed person who had a definite mindset of how stories were to be played out but she wasn't stupid. If fans were screaming that they wanted Robert and Holly to become a couple, when originally she had Luke and Holly as the couple, she listened to her fans. I wish today's EP would listen to it's fans. I really can't imagine there were too many people (outside of TG) screaming for Ethan to be Luke's son. If GM was GH's EP today, I have no doubt that Ethan would have been Robert's son no matter how much she liked Tony Geary.
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Post by The Commish on Aug 2, 2009 13:28:40 GMT -5
I understand how ad libbing can cause some problems, but I really don't think that soaps are held to the same standard as movies, or even prime time tv shows. They flub their lines often and don't retake, things happen in the background or with props and they just let it go. So it's not perfection by any means. That being said, I think it has to be the right people with the right chemistry. It obviously doesn't work for everyone. There are some actors who seem to be totally thrown if things dont go exactly as written. TR and ES and even TG.........If I were an EP I would trust them with ad libbing together. As for GM, I think what endeared her to me the most was that she listened to the fans. Imagine that. Unthinkable, isn't it?
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Post by tidewater on Aug 3, 2009 11:06:55 GMT -5
Listening to fans seems to be a lost art on soaps particulary GH.
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Post by nicknorascorpio on Aug 3, 2009 14:10:47 GMT -5
Listening to fans seems to be a lost art on soaps particulary GH. So true.GH used to be about the entire cast,but now it's only about a chosen few and everyone's storyline has to revolve around them. I also didn't like Robert's attitude at first when Holly came.I know he was there to help Luke,but he could have been happier to see his wife when she came.It wasn't the first time that he put his work ahead of having to spend some alone time with Holly,but I'm glad that it all changed when Holly made it clear,by leaving Scruffy Robert and Luke to fend for themselves on the hot dusty road that they needed her.
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