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Post by scorpio2011 on Jun 30, 2015 23:29:57 GMT -5
Mike I swear you have the greatest positivity of anyone I've ever come across. Your Robert & Holly armor is rock solid. Though I have only read what happened and refuse to sit through it, it still makes me sick to read what they done. Though after reading your take Mike, I may have to look at it your way, they tried to make Holly look better and not like a cheating tart. Guess that's better than nothing. Though I can't accept RC passing the buck for any of it. He is the head writer of the show and everything put out is his to claim. Last time it was during the coma when he said Duke and Mac mentioned Holly called and said there was no change in Robert but that got cut. Now the Robert mention today was cut and his original script didn't mention Holly and Ethan doing cons. Emma takes the blame for the rewrite of Bill/Holly. And no one takes the blame for the Holly & Laura never meeting or knowing each other. The man must be wearing Sonny's teflon suit on, no matter what screw ups happens with the writing, someone else did it. Emma has more grace in her little finger than most have in their whole body. It was total class of her to accept the blame for something that she was clearly not to blame for. As for TR wanting to come back when Finola does, well I don't care one little bit for Robert when he's not with Holly. His armor for me was tarnished in 1985 and it will never shine again. I am as unbending when it comes to forgiving as cement. That white knight fell and he'll never ride again except in my stories and that's only because Holly loves him but then I can write Holly with anybody (well not a Spencer or Eckert) and make her happy and that's fine with me. Maybe in my next story Holly will be with a guy named Mike with a great outlook on things.
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Post by lakesgirl on Jul 1, 2015 8:59:19 GMT -5
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Post by diane75 on Jul 1, 2015 9:09:53 GMT -5
Wow! Oh wow! Just watched yesterdays episode,... wow! So let's see. Holly didn't know that L&L were married when she ran into Luke way back when, nor that they had a son. So,does that man the Aztec Treasure adventure in 84' never happened, since Laura that was when Laura announced that she was pregnant.So basically , 1984 never happened,nor a lot of Holly's return in 1992, since she doesn't remember Bill Eckert. HOLY CRAP! ! ! Well, at least Holly and Laura are getting along. The opening scene was quite funny.
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Post by diane75 on Jul 1, 2015 9:13:44 GMT -5
PS- I wish someone would clone Gloria Monty and get her butt back to writing for GH.
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Post by Valerie on Jul 1, 2015 10:10:44 GMT -5
I can buy the theory that yesterday's scene was an attempt to make Holly more sympathetic. The glaring mistake that Holly hadn't known Luke was married when Ethan was conceived (when we SAW her meet Laura in 1983 and again in 1984) boggles the mind, however. (I posted a couple of pictures on Twitter under the GH hashtag of Holly and Laura in 1983 ...LOL) The Holly and Bill mistake I can overlook because I'd be happy to forget Holly and Bill ever happened. What angers me most about all this is Holly and Luke's affair has now been changed to a weekend together in Hong Kong based on mutual attraction. A willing decision. Whereas before--according to Guza--they had met in Singapore during a dangerous situation and clung together believing they were going to die. If Ethan must remain a Spencer, that seems much more forgivable than Ron Carlivati's revision. Did I just say I prefer something Bob Guza wrote? Ewww. How low I have fallen. I think I need a shower.
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Post by scorpio2011 on Jul 1, 2015 16:55:43 GMT -5
...Well, at least Holly and Laura are getting along. The opening scene was quite funny. I guess you saw something different than everyone else. I've read tons of things about this and not one person said anything about the opening scene being funny. If you mean the three in bed, in a shout out to Guza when he had Holly in the middle of Robert & Luke, I saw the pic on twitter and funny was not the word I would use. Once I finished throwing up, I really had no words. And please who really cares if Laura and Holly get along? I couldn't stand Laura and her high and mighty attitude toward Holly in 1983 when they met. But then I may have been taken by aliens one night when my car wouldn't start and my car phone wouldn't work while driving out in the desert. I think Ron and Frank should be grateful to Emma for taking the blame for their screw up. I also hope they realize not one person is buying into this being her fault.
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Post by travlingal35 on Jul 1, 2015 21:52:54 GMT -5
I've been afraid to watch Holly's return this time so I had to check out everyone's comments before watching. It looks like my suspicions have been confirmed and this return is more disastrous than the others. I see no reason to bother watching. Maybe I'll just stick to the YouTube videos from the 80s when we got to enjoy the real Holly with Robert.
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Post by The Commish on Jul 1, 2015 22:44:05 GMT -5
I'm going to try and be the voice of reason here. I apologize in advance for my long winded post.
#1. Did the affair happen after she awoke from the coma and had no contact with anyone else? Was there brain damage from the accident that she has since recovered from? Only in the soap world does someone come out of a 22month coma or so just fine.
#2. Holly and Laura absolutely got along here. I seem to recall Laura being a little snarky the very first time they ever met, too, and then she quickly warmed up to Holly. Much like this week.
#3. This could all be a dream or Luke stuck in some weird DID state. Seriously, if lucky and ethan really don't share scenes other than the photo, as people claim, then either it's a big con or a dream.
#4 They could pull Faison out of the hat. Mind control for all!! Holly and Luke never slept together. Faison is the most overused villain in GH history, ( Helena a close second ) so why not? Although, he was well used in 2012
#5. Perhaps the most important to me. Emma has clearly seen all of the negative tweets. All she wanted was to come back and make people happy, have a few more scenes with a good friend, and play Holly Scorpio. She quickly came to Ron's defense, evidence she sees it all. Yes, I have commented also but I don't feel she should be tagged or hashtagged in overly negative stuff. Poor woman. She made a point of thanking people for all the POSITIVE tweets. I wouldn't be surprised if she refuses to ever come back. It's not like she flew from England for a few scenes for the money. It was the love of the character, and I hope twitter hasn't killed that love.
This is not the Holly of 84-85. But that 85 Holly wasn't the Holly of 83. The character has to evolve and change, even if it's to come full circle. I love to live, stuck in the 80s more than anyone, but even I get this. Even if RC were to fix history, the next writer could change it. It's never going to be perfect.
And by all means..........please watch it. Don't form an opinion based on my comments, on what you may have seen bits and pieces about on twitter or facebook. ( or what other fanbases might be posting to agitate ) Some people will find a way to find fault no matter what. Please watch and make up your own mind. If after that, you still hate it, fine. But give it a go.
I often said I wish we had twitter in the 80s. I am now so glad that we DIDN'T!!
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Post by diane75 on Jul 2, 2015 2:17:03 GMT -5
This is a reply from RC:
@planeted We weren't saying she never met Laura, just that Luke didn't mention wife/child so she wasn't sure if they were still together.
WHATEVER!!!
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Post by Valerie on Jul 2, 2015 7:50:31 GMT -5
This is a reply from RC: @planeted We weren't saying she never met Laura, just that Luke didn't mention wife/child so she wasn't sure if they were still together. WHATEVER!!! Yes. I saw that. And some folks are wondering why RC is making such a big deal out of the mistakes and "explaining" them. Most writers wouldn't bother. It makes one think that he does see Holly as a still viable character after Luke's gone. I know that's been a fear of some fans...that they've connected Holly so closely to Luke that we won't see her again after TG is gone. Maybe we will get a Robert and Holly story one day when TR is free of his contractual obligation to Y&R. Both Tristan and Emma have said that they are open to it. I know that when Duke and Anna fans were complaining on Twitter, we were told to be grateful that he had brought Duke back at all and to basically suck it up. RC behaved like an ass. But Holly fans are getting explanations. Who knows! After 9 years of two regimes trashing Holly and treating RnH like they were mostly insignificant, I think I'm worn out.
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Post by scorpio2011 on Jul 2, 2015 16:08:57 GMT -5
My nephew called me at the start of GH today to ask who the guy was that Luke was with. I turned it on and watched, it was Ethan. (I was not impressed) but watching it and getting over the feeling of watching JAG when Harm stepped on a landmine and Mac had to save him, this came to mind ... this has been called an "Epic" adventure for Luke and Laura and I guess with a side of Holly thrown in to take the blame for screw ups along the way. Here's what came to mind to have truly made this an EPIC adventure for this former long time viewer. I would've started with Holly getting an envelope in the mail and the contents pointing to DNA tampering and proof that Ethan is Robert's son. We then see Holly call Robert to tell him what she received. They could then have some of that gunk with Tracy and Luke, blah, blah, blah ... then the toast and Laura appears same results, Lucky has been kidnapped. Instead of this whacky crap with Duke dying and her going off to Scotland to sprinkle his ashes all over and littering up the countryside ... I would've had that one get a call that Robin is being held captive and faces death. She would call Robert and not be able to get hold of him, she and Duke set out to find Robin. If need be L&L and DnA end up in Victoria British Columbia at the same place, they run into none other than RnH who are looking for Ethan who was kidnapped as well. Now this is the start of an EPIC adventure with not one, not two, but THREE super couples looking for their kids. Of course Robert and Holly explain about the DNA thing and show it to dufus who has to accept that he's not the father of a nation at least not the one mothered by Holly. As they progress, they discover that Luke and Holly were drugged and mind control drugs were used to make them think they each cheated on their other half. Instead of digging up Frank Smith and resurrecting his rotting carcass, I'd just have the villain be Helena and her partner of course would be Faison & Dr. Obrecht! I love Kathleen Gati and she's so underused these days. I love the rotten Dr. O not this squeeky clean, Franco swooning one so much. To add a kicker to the mix, Leisl could be helping Helena because she's holding Britt somewhere threatening to kill her if she and Faison don't help! This to me is EPIC, what is being shown now, it's more of a yawn. Just an idea that popped into my head. Soooo any thoughts on this?
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Post by crazy4zen on Jul 2, 2015 17:11:11 GMT -5
My nephew called me at the start of GH today to ask who the guy was that Luke was with. I turned it on and watched, it was Ethan. (I was not impressed) but watching it and getting over the feeling of watching JAG when Harm stepped on a landmine and Mac had to save him, this came to mind ... this has been called an "Epic" adventure for Luke and Laura and I guess with a side of Holly thrown in to take the blame for screw ups along the way. Here's what came to mind to have truly made this an EPIC adventure for this former long time viewer. I would've started with Holly getting an envelope in the mail and the contents pointing to DNA tampering and proof that Ethan is Robert's son. We then see Holly call Robert to tell him what she received. They could then have some of that gunk with Tracy and Luke, blah, blah, blah ... then the toast and Laura appears same results, Lucky has been kidnapped. Instead of this whacky crap with Duke dying and her going off to Scotland to sprinkle his ashes all over and littering up the countryside ... I would've had that one get a call that Robin is being held captive and faces death. She would call Robert and not be able to get hold of him, she and Duke set out to find Robin. If need be L&L and DnA end up in Victoria British Columbia at the same place, they run into none other than RnH who are looking for Ethan who was kidnapped as well. Now this is the start of an EPIC adventure with not one, not two, but THREE super couples looking for their kids. Of course Robert and Holly explain about the DNA thing and show it to dufus who has to accept that he's not the father of a nation at least not the one mothered by Holly. As they progress, they discover that Luke and Holly were drugged and mind control drugs were used to make them think they each cheated on their other half. Instead of digging up Frank Smith and resurrecting his rotting carcass, I'd just have the villain be Helena and her partner of course would be Faison & Dr. Obrecht! I love Kathleen Gati and she's so underused these days. I love the rotten Dr. O not this squeeky clean, Franco swooning one so much. To add a kicker to the mix, Leisl could be helping Helena because she's holding Britt somewhere threatening to kill her if she and Faison don't help! This to me is EPIC, what is being shown now, it's more of a yawn. Just an idea that popped into my head. Soooo any thoughts on this? My thought is that I'd love to see that play out. Helena & Faison make sense as villains here in a way that Frank Smith, who has been dead for 20 years, does not. Helena has the grudge against Luke, Laura, and Robert which would extend to Holly, Robin, and any R&H kid. Faison hates Holly, Robert, and has that fascination/obsession/whatever it is with Anna. Obrecht hates Anna and would do anything to be close to her Cesar. Why won't GH do something that makes sense and would give viewers a great story?
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Post by The Commish on Jul 2, 2015 17:42:52 GMT -5
I've never cared for the character of Ethan, ever since he turned up and talked like he had marbles in his mouth all the time.
There are many scenarios that would be better than what RC is doing. But TG doesn't have the interest or the health to play out a summer long story line of old. So as usual, it's rushed. Truth be told, if Ethan turned out some how not to be Luke's, I would rather it be a storyline of it's own, not lost in some big adventure.
I'm not asking people to be all positive. But I see people on twitter who refuse to find anything positive and who would only be happy if it happened exactly as they thought it should. We are just lucky that RC and NV fangirl over Emma, or Holly would probably suffer the same fate as Duke. I just don't think it's been all that bad.
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Post by scorpio2011 on Jul 2, 2015 18:48:37 GMT -5
The problem with finding something positive in this mess, for me any way, is that Holly is the ONLY character in it I give a crap about. I was wishing for Ethan to slip and blow the hell up along with Luke despite knowing that would never happen. I hate everyone with a drop of Spencer blood in them including the son of my absolute favorite character. I can never like Ethan as long as he the spawn of that moronic SOB . As for Holly ending up like Duke, the character would've been better off to have stayed dead once Robert came back to the show in 1987 cause all the writers have done to her since her return in 1992 is screw her over in the worst way possible and had TR not stood up for what he and Emma had created, the writers would've screwed her over then as well by having her die in a plane crash with her lover. The only positive I can see in watching it today was seeing Emma on my screen and that at least Holly didn't touch Luke. I suppose though for the fans of Luke and Laura and their sprigs, well it makes for happy campers. I have never fallen into that category of one who loves L&L or just loves the show in general and everyone on it. But happy viewing to those who do love it.
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Post by diane75 on Jul 3, 2015 10:40:37 GMT -5
There was this Post on Twitter: In this week's SOD, check out interviews with @generalhospital's @emmasamms1 @bandb_CBS's @karlamosley & soap alum @jordivilasuso
Anyone know anything about that? I can't get SOD here in Deutschland.
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