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Post by scorpio2011 on Jul 9, 2015 16:56:53 GMT -5
Since I didn't watch this last time around, I wonder if anyone could answer something for me. On this thread, it's said that this "affair" between Holly and Luke took place after her coma and thereby she did not cheat on Robert. How is that possible? Unless the now weekend in Hong Kong took place after Robert was assumed dead, Holly was still Robert's wife (regardless of what he was doing or who he was doing)she was his legal wife ... so is Ron saying she woke up from the coma after 22 months and didn't remember she was married to Robert but remembered Luke?
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Post by laura on Jul 9, 2015 18:37:38 GMT -5
Holly didn't mention Robert or anything about her being in a coma. I've come to accept that Holly & R&H has been rewritten, nothing in the past even matched up with the story Holly shared with Laura and it's why we need them both back Robert and Holly onscreen so that we can get a clear understanding on wth going on with our couple. Enough with the off camera stuff.
Here's the transcript of Holly & Laura talk.
Holly: Well, I suppose this conversation was inevitable, that my past with Luke would... rear its head.
Laura: Were you hoping to avoid it?
Holly: For the record, the only thing I can really think about right now is Ethan getting out alive and in one piece.
Laura: And for the record, I want that for you and Ethan just as much as I want it for Lucky.
Holly: But since we're here, why don't you let me have it? Give it to me with both barrels.
Laura: Yeah. Yeah, you know, I'm not really here to even any kind of score. [Sighs] My marriage to Luke was over a long, long time ago. And we both kept secrets from each other, and we both made mistakes. I really just want to put that chapter of my life to rest.
Holly: Well, once upon a time... in Hong Kong, I was running a scam, and completely out of the blue, I ran into Luke... in a casino. And we hadn't set eyes on each other for years, but it was like not a day had passed. It all came rushing back. His charm and his volatility and... well, you know.
Laura: Mmm.
Holly: And I knew that it wasn't a good idea to get involved with him, but I didn't care. We spent a weekend together with a tacit understanding that it would... it wouldn't last a moment longer. We said goodbye, and that was that. Until I found out I was pregnant.
Laura: With Ethan.
Holly: And I was in no position at that time to raise a child, especially on my own. And to be honest, I didn't think that Luke had it in him to be a father. Little did I know then that he already was.
Laura: You never knew?
Holly: That Luke was married and had a son when he slept with me? He didn't say. And I didn't ask. I can't regret what happened. But I do regret any pain that it may have caused you. For that -- for that, I apologize.
Laura: What's past is past, huh? [Sighs] The only thing that's important right now is that we both have sons we love, and we've got to find a way to get them home safely.
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Post by scorpio2011 on Jul 9, 2015 20:26:12 GMT -5
Thanks laura for the transcript. That really was crap writing and it honestly didn't clear anybody of anything IMO. It just made Luke look like a bigger asshole than he is and Holly look like an idiot who can't remember her own past. Oh well so much for making sense of anything. Thanks again for the info. And since no coma was mentioned, she can't blame that "not recalling anything" on "brain trauma".
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Post by lakesgirl on Jul 10, 2015 9:35:10 GMT -5
Well it made Luke look worse but I'm sure Tony was happy. Ethan remains a Spencer. Ugh.
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Post by Valerie on Jul 10, 2015 10:51:17 GMT -5
I think people are jumping on Holly saying she was in Hong Kong running a scam when she met up with Luke--and that she was on her own when Ethan was born--to indicate that the timeline was post-coma when she had already made the very bad decision not to return to Robert because he was engaged and began working for her family again.
I'm wiling to accept that theory, IF Ethan must remain a Spencer (UGH!) It's certainly better than some RnA fan fantasies I've read that have Holly out scamming behind Robert's back every time he left her in Australia to work on a case, and that Holly faked her death and later made up the whole coma story.
IMO, the timeline is never going to be clear because TIIC don't care to do the research to make it clear. And, sadly, they only care about it in terms of Luke and Laura, not Robert and Holly.
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Post by crazy4zen on Jul 10, 2015 11:04:29 GMT -5
I think people are jumping on Holly saying she was in Hong Kong running a scam when she met up with Luke--and that she was on her own when Ethan was born--to indicate that the timeline was post-coma when she had already made the very bad decision not to return to Robert because he was engaged and began working for her family again. I'm wiling to accept that theory, IF Ethan must remain a Spencer (UGH!) It's certainly better than some RnA fan fantasies I've read that have Holly out scamming behind Robert's back every time he left her in Australia to work on a case, and that Holly faked her death and later made up the whole coma story. IMO, the timeline is never going to be clear because TIIC don't care to do the research to make it clear. And, sadly, they only care about it in terms of Luke and Laura, not Robert and Holly. As I've said, I didn't watch but I can fanwank Holly sleeping with Luke post coma when she didn't feel Robert was an option for her. I won't ever like it, but that scenario is better for me than some alternatives.
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Post by scorpio2011 on Jul 10, 2015 12:33:16 GMT -5
I think back to that tease RC first came up with when he started on GH, you know, Holly telling Helena Ethan was Robert's only to tune in the next day to hear her tell stupid he was his and always was but she had to lie to save Ethan. The ratings at the time were great. The return of Holly brought in so many old viewers and then Robert's appearance for the death of his seed with that other thing the next day, brought in even more viewers. Robert and Holly were ratings magnets. Those hikes were just RnH fans/R fans tuning in for their favorites but they went down when the story was revealed ... sad. Just think what the ratings could be if RC and FV took the time to devout a few weeks, hell even an episode to cleaning up this Ethan bullsh** and fix it. If fans knew they were returning and this would be fixed ... OMG the ratings would go through the roof instead of tanking like they are. I don't understand why FV doesn't want that on his watch. It boggles my mind.
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Post by mike on Jul 10, 2015 21:37:09 GMT -5
While the best timing for Hong Kong would be after Robert's "death" and maybe when Luke and Laura had their falling out over Nikolas---I just think that's too far away from the way they are making it sound.
Even in 2009---when Luke and Holly told the story--it clearly sounded like after she came out of her coma. It was Robin who said it happened during Mr. Big. Then that time frame kind of got reinforced in 2012 when Luke was trying to convince Robert that Ethan could be his. But now, I believe we are back to after the coma.
I don't really consider this as cheating on Holly's part. We already know she was with Simon Romero. It's not Holly's fault that Robert thought she was dead. She made that painful and noble choice to let him go on with his life. While they were still legally married, in her mind---their life together was over and he was remarried (at least she thought he was marrying Katherine). This is when she was alone. This is when she was running scams. This is when it would be no life to raise a child in.
Yes, Luke would've known Holly was alive and didn't tell Robert. Robert is his best friend---you'd think he would----but Luke also has loyalty to Holly and she probably would've begged him not to.
I agree that there was no harm done to Holly here. It was short, great to see her, great to see her being a heroine and great to see Holly and Laura team up.
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Post by scorpio2011 on Jul 11, 2015 13:51:47 GMT -5
While the best timing for Hong Kong would be after Robert's "death" and maybe when Luke and Laura had their falling out over Nikolas---I just think that's too far away from the way they are making it sound. Even in 2009---when Luke and Holly told the story--it clearly sounded like after she came out of her coma. It was Robin who said it happened during Mr. Big. Then that time frame kind of got reinforced in 2012 when Luke was trying to convince Robert that Ethan could be his. But now, I believe we are back to after the coma. I don't really consider this as cheating on Holly's part. We already know she was with Simon Romero. It's not Holly's fault that Robert thought she was dead. She made that painful and noble choice to let him go on with his life. While they were still legally married, in her mind---their life together was over and he was remarried (at least she thought he was marrying Katherine). This is when she was alone. This is when she was running scams. This is when it would be no life to raise a child in. Yes, Luke would've known Holly was alive and didn't tell Robert. Robert is his best friend---you'd think he would----but Luke also has loyalty to Holly and she probably would've begged him not to. I agree that there was no harm done to Holly here. It was short, great to see her, great to see her being a heroine and great to see Holly and Laura team up. Thanks for trying to clear it up. This is exactly why I think rewrites are just totally ignorant. They only tend to create havoc and confusion. Guess that's why writers like Guza & RC love doing them. I'm just completely done with this entire show. Emma's visit couldn't pull me in to watch this time and I truly doubt I ever will again. Enough is too much with this show. It's DVDs of the glory years from now on.
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Post by Valerie on Jul 11, 2015 14:06:39 GMT -5
Saying that Ethan's conception took place during the time of Mr. Big was one of the biggest goofs in that whole travesty of a storyline. What about the phone calls that Robert made to Holly in Australia while he was in Port Charles? Are we expected to believe he was talking to no one while Holly was off with Luke in Singapore or Hong Kong? And, yes, I know Robin was the one who said it, but she just needed to shut up. She was a child then. How did she remember what happened in what year? The saddest part I think is that nobody remembers those Robert to Holly phone calls except for us.
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Post by priscilla12345 on Jul 11, 2015 21:58:34 GMT -5
I am so sick of this show. It is as though Robert and Holly never existed! Holly's only association to this show now appears to be Luke and Ethan. I, as a RnH fan, feel completely ripped off. I damn near violated. Having invested so many years in this couple to come to the conclusion thirty years later, there is no RnH, is heartbreaking! However, this is how I feel. Everything has been about Holly and Luke since ES's 2006 return. This last visit, Robert wasn't mentioned, yet RC is going to give some crap about a line being cut AGAIN pertaining to Robert. Just like they have Holly and Ethan, her son, running scams. I thought this was horrible. This was all that Holly had to teach her son, how to run scams? Just as they have rewritten RnH's history, when Robert does return, it will be to be paired with Finola. If there is a GH by that time!
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Post by scorpio2011 on Jul 12, 2015 10:56:14 GMT -5
Saying that Ethan's conception took place during the time of Mr. Big was one of the biggest goofs in that whole travesty of a storyline. What about the phone calls that Robert made to Holly in Australia while he was in Port Charles? Are we expected to believe he was talking to no one while Holly was off with Luke in Singapore or Hong Kong? And, yes, I know Robin was the one who said it, but she just needed to shut up. She was a child then. How did she remember what happened in what year? The saddest part I think is that nobody remembers those Robert to Holly phone calls except for us. We're supposed to believe those phone calls back then were "mass hallucinations" they never happened, Robert & Holly never existed. That's the vibe I get.
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Post by scorpio2011 on Jul 12, 2015 10:57:23 GMT -5
I am so sick of this show. It is as though Robert and Holly never existed! I'm feelin' that same way.
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Post by robertluvsholly on Jul 12, 2015 18:10:27 GMT -5
Last time Holly was there, it was reinforced that they were a couple and that Holly loved Robert. This time, for whatever reason the line saying Robert and Holly were together was removed,I do believe it was there and someone for whatever reason cut it, in LA. Remember RC is in NYC, not in LA and he isn't on set. Frank Valentini is in LA.
I know a lot of us are disappointed in the lack of Robert or Robert mentions this time out. I am too, but it's not been written as if Robert and Holly never existed and it hasn't been rewritten to say they haven't. Let's not create a scenario that doesn't exist.
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Post by scorpio2011 on Jul 12, 2015 22:48:24 GMT -5
...it's not been written as if Robert and Holly never existed and it hasn't been rewritten to say they haven't. Let's not create a scenario that doesn't exist. I'm not trying to create a scenario that doesn't exist ... only saying that it feels to me that he's trying to rewrite them as never been a couple since everything he "says" he wrote that says otherwise gets cut in every script they're in. Suspicious is my nature and for me, this happens way too often to believe a word RC says. I'm not asking others to feel that way. I have never tried to deny I don't like the man or the way he writes but for those who do like him/the way he writes then rock on and enjoy it. And if RC is in NY then perhaps TPTB should consider hiring an LA based writer that can oversee his work daily and not leave it up to his minions who apparently in GHs case don't do their job proven by these latest flubs. And too perhaps RC should consider hiring a personal English coach to help him relay to the masses what he wants to say and all of these, "that's not how I meant it" tweets can stop. It's rather apparent by the constant weekly drop in ratings that something's wrong with the show and it all starts with the writing and well he is the Head Writer so whatever is put out is his to claim good or bad. In his case, mostly bad.
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