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Post by lakesgirl on Aug 14, 2015 9:59:41 GMT -5
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Post by louisa on Jan 26, 2016 16:21:02 GMT -5
This is going to sound crazy, but I think Nathan Varni & Frank Valentini are more aware of the Robert & Holly fanbase than what we may think. I also think they like both Tristan & Emma. However, they are so focused on these "young" storylines that they think will save GH, that they don't want to devote any substantial time & money to create any real story for the Vets. Of course, all we RnH'ers are asking for at minimum is a reunion to re-validate the "REAL" Scorpio marriage, and let them leave together knowing that finally they'll be together forever.
Sometimes I think Varni & Valentini aren't telling us "No" or "Never", but more like "Maybe someday when it suits us to pull it out of our bag of tricks."
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Post by nicknorascorpio on Jan 26, 2016 19:20:24 GMT -5
Sometimes I think that the producers and writers are looking for the short-term shock value or angst ridden storylines that they think will draw in viewers.Sadly enough these will turn off some fans who are looking for more than that. The vets bring in history of the show,but they are now being terribly written out of character that the new viewers will just see that and not how great they used to be. The newbies can come on the show with a clean slate and overshadow the vets in storylines and screentime.
Robert and Holly still have chemistry when they are on the screen together and if GH can give Patrick and Robin their happily ever after,why not R&H.
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Post by louisa on Jan 26, 2016 21:02:12 GMT -5
I just posted on Twitter today that if ABC re-ran the 1983 Love Story of Robert & Holly, they would win a new generation of fans. Although clothing & lighting is dated, that story stands the test of time!!
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Post by louisa on Jan 27, 2016 9:27:21 GMT -5
It baffles me that this couple, who kept GH at #1 after LnL left, isn't given its proper respect--especially since TPTB keep bringing back both Tristan & Emma. It's like they realize that they're significant characters, but won't take that extra step.
I agree about the viewers who didn't begin watching until the 90s. Before YouTube, they didn't see Holly as Robert's adorable, resourceful, clever & sexy wife, who cared about her Port Charles friends. They also didn't see Anna as the scheming, stalking interloper who tried to destroy Robert & Holly's marriage. Yes, I like Anna now, but will never support a romance between her & Robert for those reasons. Even Tristan himself remarked just a couple of months ago that much is forgotten about Robert & Anna, and that he needs to blog & set the record straight one day. Simply put: he doesn't think they are meant to be together romantically either. Like I've been preaching (to the choir), both Tristan & Emma have voiced that it would be nice to see RnH reunited (can we finally have Holly come back to GH for Robert for once, instead of to help Luke--who's gone now--so it would be perfect timing for RnH to have the time to themselves without Luke butting in). And like I originally said, I think FV & NV know ALL of this: they simply have different priorities for the stories they feel they need to tell. I think their attitude is: We're not saying that we won't ever do it, but it's just not on the top of our list at the moment. And this is why I don't watch!!
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Post by priscilla12345 on Feb 11, 2016 4:53:22 GMT -5
Louise, I agree with everything that you have said. However, I feel that there is a great deal of politicking going on behind the scenes that the public is not privy to. Yes, I think that Tony Geary was quite influential and had quite a bit of clout due to his tenure on the show and due to his contract clauses. At the time that I read about the one specific clause in which he could change his s/l, the article dealt strictly with the Ethan paternity s/l. However, this article made mention to the fact that there was one more actress with the same clause in her contract, which is to dictate her s/l, and that would be Finola Hughes. Has anyone noticed that upon Emma's returns and Genie's returns, there have never been any scenes between these ladies? I am not going to go any further, but I do believe RnH's not reuniting has several underlying reasons. Personally, I believe that TPTB have a fondness for Emma, and now for Tristan also. The way Emma's character was destroyed, if you think about it, the writers literally tore Holly and Robert's history to shreds. With the terrorist s/l, she was the cause of his daughter nearly dying. Robert seemed to have hated her. Consequently, Emma really did not have a link to the show. They would not redeem her character, she and Robert had no children, so why would she have a place in PC? Although I detest with a passion that she had a child with Luke, since TPTB refused to make Ethan Robert's, where did Emma/Holly fit in? It is all a mess. It can be easily fixed, but TPTB are unwilling to do it for some reason, and we may never find out why!
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Post by louisa on Feb 11, 2016 10:53:36 GMT -5
Priscilla, it's always fun to talk soap opera politics with other viewers/former viewers who "get it". Yes, there has always been a lot of politics and dealing happening that we don't get to hear about until an actor gets disgruntled or feels like venting in an interview--then we learn some things that raise our eyebrows!!  For example, Tony Geary is a huge Emma Samms supporter and lobbied more than once for her to reprise Holly, thus we kept seeing Holly coming back & doing things with Luke!! Back in the day, Gloria Monty also loved Emma. On Emma's "Intimate Portrait" biography, Gloria Monty said that "Emma was MAGNIFICENT with Tristan!" She also said that she wasn't going to hold Emma back from such a big opportunity like "Dynasty", and that some cast members at the time were a little jealous of Emma's rising star!! Back to the present day: both Tristan & Emma have voiced their support for a Robert & Holly reunion. One problem, I think, is that Emma lives in the U.K., and although she has clearly stated that she is pretty much always happy to come back to GH for a few weeks at a time, I think TPTB aren't motivated at the moment to deal with those logistics. Neither Tristan nor Emma are on contract, so RnH just aren't a priority. And I don't think it's anything personal on Frank Valentini's part, because he & Emma seem to genuinely like each other. I do think TPTB realized that they went too far with the character assassination of Holly in early 2006, which is why they had Robert soften & even flirting (and kissing!) her later in the Markam Island storyline. Tristan Rogers said in an interview that Robert should have reunited & left with Holly at the end of that story. I think Ron Carlivati was also working on rehabilitating her, but was fired before he could finish. We know that at some point, Robert left PC to help Holly, so we know there was a reconnection between them. With RC gone though, now we have nothing!!  You are so right that despite the craziness, Robert & Holly can EASILY be fixed. The easiest option would be to simply have Tristan & Emma come on together for Robert & Holly to help with a short-term PC crisis. But it almost seems like them getting their happy ending will only happen as a final wrap-up story when GH finally gets cancelled!! I just don't want this show to end without Port Charles' Classiest, Sexiest, Fun-Loving Couple getting their Happy Ending!  |
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Post by robertluvsholly on Feb 14, 2016 23:55:39 GMT -5
Nathan Varni has found himself in hot water. Apparently PMing details of Rebecca Herbst contract negotiations on FB. Now he is claiming he was hacked, but in his explanation he kinda admits he did PM. I don't like the dude. But his constant social media presence seems to reveal the big or broader(if you will) issue with GH, which is network interference. When the network is so involved it's never good.
That being said- sadly, R&H just aren't a priority. Neither TR or ES is there full-time and GH has a very large cast that seems to always be getting larger. Although there are rumors beginning to float around that Ethan will be returning and possibly a Lucky recast(Greg Vaugh return?). I am hoping that Ethan's presence will facilitate a Holly return when Robert is there.
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Post by louisa on Feb 15, 2016 11:40:50 GMT -5
Nathan Varni has found himself in hot water. Apparently PMing details of Rebecca Herbst contract negotiations on FB. Now he is claiming he was hacked, but in his explanation he kinda admits he did PM. I don't like the dude. But his constant social media presence seems to reveal the big or broader(if you will) issue with GH, which is network interference. When the network is so involved it's never good. That being said- sadly, R&H just aren't a priority. Neither TR or ES is there full-time and GH has a very large cast that seems to always be getting larger. Although there are rumors beginning to float around that Ethan will be returning and possibly a Lucky recast(Greg Vaugh return?). I am hoping that Ethan's presence will facilitate a Holly return when Robert is there. I saw that Varni "scandal" all over Twitter this past weekend; what a mess!! Doesn't seem to bode well for GH that these major & established actors & actresses are leaving left and right, does it?? Almost like jumping off a sinking ship, isn't it??  As for OUR favorite couple, it looks like we (and many of us on this board) are in agreement that while TPTB don't have anything against RnH, with neither actor on contract, there's no compelling reason at this time to address them--especially since the network is relentlessly courting a younger demographic (remember when we were that demographic?? LOL!!) Speaking of younger demos, it sounds strange saying this, but TR will be 70 years old this year. While Robert Scorpio will go down in history as the coolest GH character ever, do you think the current corporate structure is motivated to give an actor his age a substantial contract? Ageism is alive & well. I think they're fine with trotting him out for these short stints, but beyond that. . .and that's unfortunate. I'm just continuing to hope & campaign that one of these short stints includes Emma Samms coming back with Tristan so that Robert & Holly can be reunited and re-validated as a couple. |
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Post by nicknorascorpio on Feb 15, 2016 12:29:55 GMT -5
The General Hospital(with actual doctors and nurses) we know is gone.This is more like Mobcity.Every storyline is connected to the mob. Sonny,Jason and Julian are now the "heroes" and love interests to everyone on the show.I like Ethan and if this show wasn't so mobified I would like to see him return and maybe with Lucky as a cop.Robert and Holly could return to see their son once this paternity mess was straightened out once and for all.I'm afraid if Ethan would come back they would stick him with mob princess Kristina(I DON'T LIKE HER) and he'll wind up working with Sonny like everyone wants to do.
I don't understand now that TG is gone why they don't just change the paternity test.Robert and Holly just need a few weeks together to reunite as a couple and a family.It's frustrating that TPTB spend money on numerous unknown and usually boring as watching mushrooms grow newbies instead of investing in the great vets that are on now.Bringing them out like furniture from the attic and dusted off every blue moon.R&H were and still are magic and if they were written correctly ratings would rise.Once they have been reunited and they don't want to bring them back,just give them their proper HEA and let them go off into the sunset.
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Post by robertluvsholly on Feb 15, 2016 12:37:10 GMT -5
Honestly, I can't see them giving TR a contract, but I've been wrong before. With the ever-shrinking budget, I can't imagine GH is a lot of fun these days. Either other soaps are offering bigger money or it could be the stress of the sinking ship and shrinking salaries.
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Post by louisa on Feb 15, 2016 14:00:16 GMT -5
The General Hospital(with actual doctors and nurses) we know is gone.This is more like Mobcity.Every storyline is connected to the mob. Sonny,Jason and Julian are now the "heroes" and love interests to everyone on the show.I like Ethan and if this show wasn't so mobified I would like to see him return and maybe with Lucky as a cop.Robert and Holly could return to see their son once this paternity mess was straightened out once and for all.I'm afraid if Ethan would come back they would stick him with mob princess Kristina(I DON'T LIKE HER) and he'll wind up working with Sonny like everyone wants to do. I don't understand now that TG is gone why they don't just change the paternity test.Robert and Holly just need a few weeks together to reunite as a couple and a family.It's frustrating that TPTB spend money on numerous unknown and usually boring as watching mushrooms grow newbies instead of investing in the great vets that are on now.Bringing them out like furniture from the attic and dusted off every blue moon.R&H were and still are magic and if they were written correctly ratings would rise.Once they have been reunited and they don't want to bring them back,just give them their proper HEA and let them go off into the sunset. Exactly!! Even during the tragically horrible 2006 in which now both TR & ES said they weren't happy with how their characters were portrayed (although all three of them, including TG, had fun working together again), Robert & Holly's chemistry was still there. And that jail kiss was smoking hot--regardless of the context!! They wanted the audience to know that the fire between them was still there. And as I always LOVE to bring up, TR said in a 2008 interview that the storyline should have ended with Robert leaving those Islands with Holly because there really wasn't anymore for Scorpio to do. He knew what he was talking about!! All we RnH'ers want is a short but sweet reunion story! I really don't have a burning desire to see my two favorite characters languish on a dying show that seems to have become a mess of characters with no connection to any of the original core families. Give Robert & Holly Scorpio their HEA & let them go (and not mess with their happiness anymore)!! |
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Post by lakesgirl on Feb 15, 2016 14:14:23 GMT -5
Nathan Varni has found himself in hot water. Apparently PMing details of Rebecca Herbst contract negotiations on FB. Now he is claiming he was hacked, but in his explanation he kinda admits he did PM. I don't like the dude. But his constant social media presence seems to reveal the big or broader(if you will) issue with GH, which is network interference. When the network is so involved it's never good. That being said- sadly, R&H just aren't a priority. Neither TR or ES is there full-time and GH has a very large cast that seems to always be getting larger. Although there are rumors beginning to float around that Ethan will be returning and possibly a Lucky recast(Greg Vaugh return?). I am hoping that Ethan's presence will facilitate a Holly return when Robert is there. Nathan Varni sounds like an idiot - much like a lot of people on twitter. Less is more. Sometimes I think some of these people think they are as popular as the actors. So weird. ABC Daytime needs to get a handle on some of their employees. |
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Post by crazy4zen on Feb 16, 2016 13:26:39 GMT -5
Nathan Varni has found himself in hot water. Apparently PMing details of Rebecca Herbst contract negotiations on FB. Now he is claiming he was hacked, but in his explanation he kinda admits he did PM. I don't like the dude. But his constant social media presence seems to reveal the big or broader(if you will) issue with GH, which is network interference. When the network is so involved it's never good. That being said- sadly, R&H just aren't a priority. Neither TR or ES is there full-time and GH has a very large cast that seems to always be getting larger. Although there are rumors beginning to float around that Ethan will be returning and possibly a Lucky recast(Greg Vaugh return?). I am hoping that Ethan's presence will facilitate a Holly return when Robert is there. Nathan Varni sounds like an idiot - much like a lot of people on twitter. Less is more. Sometimes I think some of these people think they are as popular as the actors. So weird. ABC Daytime needs to get a handle on some of their employees. Not just an idiot...an unprofessional one at that. If you can't handle twitter, stay away from it. Don't discuss an actor's contract situation with the mass public. Becky Herbst is one of the few at GH that can still act even though her character hasn't been well written in over a decade. |
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Post by louisa on Feb 16, 2016 14:15:26 GMT -5
Honestly, I can't see them giving TR a contract, but I've been wrong before. With the ever-shrinking budget, I can't imagine GH is a lot of fun these days. Either other soaps are offering bigger money or it could be the stress of the sinking ship and shrinking salaries. It really doesn't seem fun on that set anymore, does it? The stars of the 80s talk about how much fun they had on their location shoots and acting out those ridiculous storylines. That's what made that era so great! I wouldn't blame TR if he wanted to maintain the freedom to exercise all of the other options & things he likes to do instead of being tied to a contract on that Titanic!! I know I can be wrong too, but I don't think TPTB are willing to spend the $$ on TR. One could argue that with TG gone, that TR would fill the Veteran Leading Man slot. However, I wouldn't doubt that TPTB were happy when TG left and freed up a boatload of cash to divide up on all of these newbies that they are bringing in. I know a lot of fans want to see TR on contract, but without ES, I have to admit that I'm not in that camp. Keep him recurring and have him finally recur with Emma! |
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