2015 Return

[The Commish]

Well, as we expected it was a five second cliffhanger. There's not much to talk about yet. If you were on twitter last night, you probably already know that they listed her in the credit as Holly Scorpio. Not sure if this means anything, but for those of us clinging to the hope of a good return by Holly, it's better than nothing. On a shallow note, I do wish they would let her wear her hair down, though. She looks harsh with her hair that way. I don't really care about Ethan anymore, all I really want is a mention that RnH are married again. And I still expect a cameo by TR based on his tweet a few weeks ago. 

[scorpio2011]

I didn't bother but I will check here and Twitter and if anything good happens with Emma/Holly then I'll check it out on YT. I just can't stomach it with the stuff I've read.

SOD has said that it will look as if Holly is the kidnapper but then admits Ethan is missing and she joins with the others to search for both boys. It also says that once Lucky is found, it's revealed that Frank Smith is the kidnapper and back from the dead after all these years and Lucky tells every one that Little Jake is alive and brings him home to Elizabeth. WTF.

This is what ticks me off about RC. He says he can't "unwrite" an affair that both parties admitted to on screen ... yet he can bring back every character we've ever seen die ON SCREEN for the past thirty years. And if Little Jake is alive then it's ones we didn't see die on screen.

I hope TR does come back and there's at least one mention that Robert and Holly are still together and finally happy away from PC. It still pisses me off to think RC felt it necessary to write Holly graveling to that twit Laura for forgiveness for that BS with Dufus, and yet we never saw Robert confront him, that happened off screen in a quick mention that he & Robert threw a few punches. We've never seen Robert and Holly talk about the "alleged affair" that happened off screen. Guess that conversation took place off screen as well.


Like you Commish, I'm over Ethan though for me, since he started off a Spencer I never cared for him in the slightest. I think they've waited too long now and he's a lost cause that they can hang the name Scorpio on and make him RnH son but I won't care.

I sincerely hope that all of you that watch will see something that will make it worth your while.


As for Emma's hair, I think that may be her choice. She wears it in that bun even off screen when she goes out. JMO though. I do agree, I would for her to wear it down at least on camera.

[robertluvsholly]

I am looking forward to this return. I rather watch the story then make judgments based off magazine articles. I think Holly is probably under the same orders as Laura was- she can't tell anyone Ethan is missing and that makes her look like she's a part of Lucky's kidnapping, but of course, she isn't. I expect TR to appear also.

As for Jake- since Jocelyn received one of his organs- it's going to be weird, if he isn't dead after all.

ethan- if he stays a Spencer- we're no worse off then we already are. If it changes- I will be very happy.

What I want most is a happy and together Robert and Holly. I think this is going to be a good return.

[mike]

After today's ep, I am not sure how Robert figures into Holly's life. I get the impression she is quite the con artist team with Ethan. I do like Holly and Ethan being close but if they are running cons together---then it doesn't sound like she is spending time with Robert offscreen. I don't know. I guess we'll see. She's not the bad guy though--so that is good. I really didn't doubt that she would be on the side of good.

[scorpio2011]

Thanks Mike for that review. I now know I don't need to bother looking for it on youtube. WTH she's gone back to conning and now with Luke's bastard?

[The Commish]

Well........I'm not ready to say she's not the bad guy yet. The "con" could be on Luke and Laura. I'm just gonna let it play out and not guess. Pissed me off that Laura was snarky with her at first, and also that she called her Holly SUTTON.

[The Commish]

Jun 29, 2015 20:49:17 GMT -5 scorpio2011 said:

Thanks Mike for that review. I now know I don't need to bother looking for it on youtube. WTH she's gone back to conning and now with Luke's bastard?

I keep hoping it will come out that Luke raped her during a DID episode. Then Robert will kill the bastard. LOL

[scorpio2011]

Jun 29, 2015 20:53:09 GMT -5 The Commish said:

Jun 29, 2015 20:49:17 GMT -5 scorpio2011 said:

Thanks Mike for that review. I now know I don't need to bother looking for it on youtube. WTH she's gone back to conning and now with Luke's bastard?

I keep hoping it will come out that Luke raped her during a DID episode. Then Robert will kill the bastard. LOL

OMG what a great idea. Wish you were writing the show. And Laura was snarky o_0 Never did like her so she can kiss where the sun don't shine. When I first saw that promo with all them pointing guns, I was screaming, "Shoot 'em both Holly! Shoot em both!" Too bad she didn't.

[crazy4zen]

Jun 29, 2015 20:49:17 GMT -5 scorpio2011 said:

Thanks Mike for that review. I now know I don't need to bother looking for it on youtube. WTH she's gone back to conning and now with Luke's bastard?

Either that or kind altering drugs...those are the only two explanations that make any kind of sense.

Glad I'm not watching. Holly as a life-long con...not what I want to see.

[scorpio2011]

Oh my .. I've been told already that today was an epicly horrendus rewrite of another horrendous rewrite. So now instead of a one night drunken stand, in fear of their life in Singapore, it's now, Holly was running a con in Hong Kong and happened on Luke by chance and all those feelings came up and they just couldn't help themselves. They agreed to spend the weekend together and forget it, which Holly did until she found out she was pregnant. She felt she wasn't ready for a kid and that Luke was not father material, NOT KNOWING he already was and married. So 1983/1984 never happened?

I've also been told (yes my facebook & email were filled with stuff), that now Holly has never met Bill Eckert. So 1992/1993 now has never happened. That's actually fine with me as I hated her with that loser Eckert anyway. Now if only RC could rewrite that gawd awful bath tub scene with Holly and Eckert from my memory.

It sorta seems like RC is trying to UNWRITE a certain couple. It won't surprise me to hear that Luke turns to Holly and says, "You know English, I know this guy named Robert Scorpio, I think you two should meet."

Of course maybe there's a light yet as it's unknown how many episodes Emma will be in. Hope something good happens by the end of her time.

Props to all those who stomached this. I admire your fortitude greatly.

[Valerie]

I don't know who is responsible for the huge mistake that Holly didn't know about Laura and Lucky, but Emma is taking the blame on Twitter for Holly saying she didn't know Bill.

"Big confession re GH. Tony & I couldn't remember the Bill/Holly thing so changed line. NOT fault of @carlivatiron or @valentinifrank."

Those on Twitter, check it out.

Ron Carlivati also said that there was nothing in his script about Holly and Ethan running cons together. But the most bittersweet tweet from RC said this:

"Also, Holly & Robert are still together OC. In the outline, she said he was in the field & couldn't be reached. Line was cut in script."

Sweet because, Yes! RnH are still together. Bitter because of all the lines that could be cut, of course, it's a RnH reference that doesn't make it. I could cry.

[scorpio2011]

There's no way in hell that AG doesn't remember something about Bill Eckert, it's his favorite character ever (his own words). And I am to believe that not one person at GH knows how to check out videos on YT? There has to be at least 20 showing Holly and Bill together including those icky gross ones of him and her having sex.

And come on, there has to be at least ONE fan in the state of California that could've told Ron what happened then. I'm not buying that this was Emma's fault for not remembering ... I can't blame the woman for blocking out any memories of working with AG. hmpf.

And sorry but a line that was cut and no one heard means NOTHING. This is all Ron and no one can convince me otherwise. I will believe however, that during this whole Fluke thing he's done not one iota of research on anything of the past.

[lakesgirl]

If heads don't roll over for this collossal mistake, I don't know that they ever will. I've never seen such huge mistakes in a soap In all my life. People need to be fired!!

[mike]

OK--I admit I was totally confused watching today because so much didn't make sense.

That being said----I appreciate that Emma explained about the Bill line. As much as we often remember everything or re-watch stuff all the time---the actors don't remember like we do. It was a mistake and as far as I am concerned, I will go by what the script was supposed to say and not what did get said. That goes for Holly running a con with Ethan. It was also in the script that Holly was NOT running a scam and I am choosing to stick with that as well. Mistakes happen.

Now as for Singapore (or Hong Kong)---this has never made sense since day one in 2009. If you listen to Luke and Holly tell the story in 2009---it clearly happened AFTER Holly came out of her coma. I truly think that is what Emma believed the story to be then. But all logic went out the window when Robin declared Ethan was conceived during Mr. Big. The point she was trying to make was that Robert could NOT be the father, but placing the conception there ruled him IN as the father. Guza was on crack. It made NO sense. It has never made any sense.

I get that today, they were actually trying to undo damage by making Holly more sympathetic. That is why they made it sound like she didn't know Luke and Laura were together and that they had Lucky. She also reiterated that she was alone in life doing cons--meaning she did not cheat on Robert. I actually applaud the fact that they want to make Holly sympathetic---but clearly, none of this makes any sense. And you know what, I am done trying to make sense of it. Until the day comes they undo Singapore/Hong Kong---Ethan being a Spencer will never make sense. Trying to make sense of it will only make your brain bleed. I am honestly willing to overlook what Holly said today as Twilight Zone and take it in the spirit it was meant---to make Holly not look so bad. I am all for Holly not looking bad.

To me, the bottom line was Emma and Genie knocked it out of the park. I LOVED them today and when they clasped hands, I practically teared up. My 2 faves, united---just like they were back in the 80's.

These characters are never going to be like they were in the 80's. I don't hold the show to that standard. Maybe that is why I stay positive. I don't compare modern day Holly to 80's/90's Holly. I actually compare her against 2006 Holly. If she is better than 2006, I am happy. 2015 Holly is a good person who is trying to save her son. That works for me.

The BEST news of all was Ron tweeting that Robert and Holly are still together off camera. They are a couple. They are together. Yes, it has not been mentioned onscreen yet---but it still may be. To me, that is the greatest victory of all. Like their song says--The game is finally over, I knew that we would win. Robert and Holly are a couple in 2015 and that makes me happy beyond measure!

[priscilla12345]

I have the worst headache after watching this mess. I am convinced that everyone involved with this story today knew that it would not fly, but did not care. The icing on the cake, I thought was Emma taking blame for this craziness. She is an actress...she is paid to act not to keep up with the show's history. Then I felt a little better...no a lot better, when RC said RnH were still together OC, although I was a little skeptical about that line being dropped. Then My bubble was burst, once again, when it was revealed in SOD that Tristan Rogers stated that he wanted to return to GH when Finola was scheduled to return. This made me gag, and not want to watch Robert and Anna again in this lifetime. Let me get off this roller coaster!