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Post by mike on Jul 3, 2015 12:10:19 GMT -5
I don't think any Holly return could ever be as disastrous as Feb 2006. To be honest--I don't see anything detrimental to Holly in this one. She is a good person trying to save her son's life.
It wasn't intended for Holly to be running a con so even though that's what got said on air, I'm going by what was intended. For all we know, TG may've made changes to lines. So to me, Holly was not running a con, she does know Bill and she is with Robert.
I won't lie---when I watched the ep with Holly and Laura talking about Hong Kong---I was frustrated. I came to Twitter prepared to vent some but before I could---I saw Ron's tweet about Robert and Holly being together and my frustration evaporated. Ever since the day in 1987 that Robert said Holly died in a plane crash, I have been waiting for the moment to hear they are truly reunited----and now they are. To me, that trumps EVERYTHING. It's all I've ever wanted for nearly 30 years and now it is so. I am beyond happy about this.
I never took it as Holly saying she and Laura never met. I am not sure why people are saying that. To me, this was clearly an attempt of making Holly look better. May've been handled wrong---but I appreciate the intention. Ethan has always been like a double-edged sword. Until the day comes they reveal mind control----the only way Ethan could be Robert's is if Holly cheated on Robert. I truly would rather have Ethan be a Spencer than Holly cheating on Robert. The way it stands now, it's clear Hong Kong happened AFTER Holly's coma. That's when it had been years since she saw Luke, she was alone--on her own--running cons---and she was devastated over Robert thinking she was dead and moving on. I can buy that she didn't know if Luke and Laura were still together---especially if Luke gave the impression he was on his own (which he would, if he were in Fluke mode). Not remembering Lucky---well---she suffered severe head trauma.
Like the Commish said---you don't come out of that perfectly fine. I chalk up memory loss and disorientation to that. Laura was also catatonic for so many years---I am sure her brain has some issues as well. Of course, Hong Kong happening after the coma, rules Robert out as the father. I have always said I can accept Ethan as a Spencer IF it happened during this time period. I still think the possibility always is there to undo Hong Kong and make Ethan the coma baby. If not---he is a Spencer and a coma baby could still exist. I can honestly live with that. Especially since Robert and Holly are reunited.
So to me---with this visit---we get: Holly did not cheat on Robert, she didn't knowingly steal Laura's husband for a weekend, she is a kickass heroine taking out the bad guys and she and Robert are FINALLY happily together. That's my take away. The only sour note is Ethan is a Spencer---but like I said, I prefer that over Holly cheating on Robert----so I am not dissatisfied at all.
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Post by mike on Jul 3, 2015 12:13:56 GMT -5
And about that TR quote. I didn't know that part but somebody else also tweeted that he reiterated that Anna and Robert do not need to be romantic, kissing, etc. He made it pretty clear yet again---he sees them as friends and does NOT want an Anna/Robert romance so I am happy he said that yet again!
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Post by scorpio2011 on Jul 3, 2015 20:10:17 GMT -5
Anyone have the date on that SOD with the TR interview? Also the mention of SOD with Emma interview, anyone have the date or can tell me if it has any pics of her. Thanks.
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Post by robertluvsholly on Jul 3, 2015 20:18:22 GMT -5
It seems today was Holly's last day or maybe Monday? Either case, it's time for me to weigh in.
First thoughts, if Emma didn't really remember about Bill Eckert as she says, it makes sense she could accept Ethan as Luke's son. I get it. She was working with Tony Geary and Bill wasn't overly different from Luke. It's been about 25 years and details can easily fade. And yes- that it was Bill and not Luke is a detail. I take Emma at her word and I don't believe RC wrote that she didn't know Bill. The whole dialogue read as if she did know him.
I don't mind the move from Mr Big era to post-coma Holly era. Yes, it rules out Robert as the dad-, but that already seems to have happened. So, I can live with post-coma and suffering from some issues from the brain injury.
I won't speak to the Laura part. I think it was meant to be Didn't know Luke was still married.
Overall, I think this appearance was a good one! It made Holly more sympathetic and ended any possible awkwardness with Laura and Holly. They really are/were the shining parts of the story. I loved what Genie said about Emma and how much Emma said she enjoyed working with Genie.
I loved the RC tweet telling us about the cut line. I loved it! Makes me happy knowing Robert and Holly are together- even if it's off camera. I wonder if the line was cut in post-production or if it was cut before Emma got to say it. I'm sure she was very happy knowing Robert and Holly are together.
and as for the TR quote-- Anna is the last one on the canvas. Who else is Robert supposed to visit? And he's always made a point that they were friends and not romantic...so why should that quote be upsetting?
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Post by robertluvsholly on Jul 3, 2015 20:38:47 GMT -5
My nephew called me at the start of GH today to ask who the guy was that Luke was with. I turned it on and watched, it was Ethan. (I was not impressed) but watching it and getting over the feeling of watching JAG when Harm stepped on a landmine and Mac had to save him, this came to mind ... this has been called an "Epic" adventure for Luke and Laura and I guess with a side of Holly thrown in to take the blame for screw ups along the way. Here's what came to mind to have truly made this an EPIC adventure for this former long time viewer. I would've started with Holly getting an envelope in the mail and the contents pointing to DNA tampering and proof that Ethan is Robert's son. We then see Holly call Robert to tell him what she received. They could then have some of that gunk with Tracy and Luke, blah, blah, blah ... then the toast and Laura appears same results, Lucky has been kidnapped. Instead of this whacky crap with Duke dying and her going off to Scotland to sprinkle his ashes all over and littering up the countryside ... I would've had that one get a call that Robin is being held captive and faces death. She would call Robert and not be able to get hold of him, she and Duke set out to find Robin. If need be L&L and DnA end up in Victoria British Columbia at the same place, they run into none other than RnH who are looking for Ethan who was kidnapped as well. Now this is the start of an EPIC adventure with not one, not two, but THREE super couples looking for their kids. Of course Robert and Holly explain about the DNA thing and show it to dufus who has to accept that he's not the father of a nation at least not the one mothered by Holly. As they progress, they discover that Luke and Holly were drugged and mind control drugs were used to make them think they each cheated on their other half. Instead of digging up Frank Smith and resurrecting his rotting carcass, I'd just have the villain be Helena and her partner of course would be Faison & Dr. Obrecht! I love Kathleen Gati and she's so underused these days. I love the rotten Dr. O not this squeeky clean, Franco swooning one so much. To add a kicker to the mix, Leisl could be helping Helena because she's holding Britt somewhere threatening to kill her if she and Faison don't help! This to me is EPIC, what is being shown now, it's more of a yawn. Just an idea that popped into my head. Soooo any thoughts on this? My thought is that I'd love to see that play out. Helena & Faison make sense as villains here in a way that Frank Smith, who has been dead for 20 years, does not. Helena has the grudge against Luke, Laura, and Robert which would extend to Holly, Robin, and any R&H kid. Faison hates Holly, Robert, and has that fascination/obsession/whatever it is with Anna. Obrecht hates Anna and would do anything to be close to her Cesar. Why won't GH do something that makes sense and would give viewers a great story? The problem with this is that it's LUKE'S EXIT story, so of course it's going to be all about him. I didn't mind Frank Smith being the villain and he has a reason to hold a grudge on both Luke and Laura. Apparently, Frank missed the news that Justus Ward actually murdered Damian Smith. Before we get any outrage- Laura quickly corrected him. Everyone else has come back from the dead- why not Frank Smith? He has plenty of reasons to hate Luke and it was already established in 1993 that he chased L&L across the globe trying to kill them. The part that ruined the story was No Luke and Laura romantic reunion. Whether or not you are a huge fan, a sometime fan, or just a soap fan...it's disheartening when true love dies and doesn't win. Everyone loves a happy ending and we already know we're not getting one. I'm sure it was intended to be a happy ending, but things didn't quite work out. Just like Robert was intended to return with Holly, but Y&R wouldn't let it happen.
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Post by mike on Jul 3, 2015 20:55:14 GMT -5
Great posts! Yes, it looks to me like today was Holly's last day. Would've been nice if she had to leave for Robert or something but Ethan getting shot and needing medical attention is certainly a plausible way to get her off canvas. It's also kind of fitting that Frank Smith was Luke and Laura's first adventure and now he will be their last.
I really LOVED seeing Holly and Laura bond and work together! It truly was the biggest highlight of this visit. Overall, I enjoyed it. Despite flubbed lines---Holly was in character----a heroine out to save her son. And like I said----she didn't cheat on Robert and she and Robert are a couple! I can learn to live with Ethan Spencer. Robert has a kid with a previous relationship and so does Holly----doesn't make them belong together any less---and clearly they know that which is why they got back together! 30 years after their first happy ending----it has been restored!!!
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Post by scorpio2011 on Jul 3, 2015 22:47:37 GMT -5
[quote author=" robertluvsholly" source="/post/21351/thread" [/quote]The problem with this is that it's LUKE'S EXIT story ...[/quote] Well it may be LUKE'S EXIT but the ratings say they needed way more than LUKE to please the masses. At the very least a decent NON BORING story would've been a fitting exit for someone, even Geary, after 37 yrs. It's good for Ron that some are pleased with crumbs, I personally am greedy and want the whole cookie. I went and watched after someone mentioned on twitter that Ethan got shot, I was hoping he would die, but naturally the mobster is a piss poor shot. I'm glad that some of you are happy with what you got. I am one who isn't. And that's my prerogative and it will not change. For me, changing bullshit for more bullshit still leaves you with bullshit. I call bullshit on Holly ever spawning a piece of trash from the town idiot.
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Post by robertluvsholly on Jul 3, 2015 23:35:43 GMT -5
The problem with this is that it's LUKE'S EXIT story ...[/quote] Well it may be LUKE'S EXIT but the ratings say they needed way more than LUKE to please the masses. At the very least a decent NON BORING story would've been a fitting exit for someone, even Geary, after 37 yrs. It's good for Ron that some are pleased with crumbs, I personally am greedy and want the whole cookie. I went and watched after someone mentioned on twitter that Ethan got shot, I was hoping he would die, but naturally the mobster is a piss poor shot. I'm glad that some of you are happy with what you got. I am one who isn't. And that's my prerogative and it will not change. For me, changing bullshit for more bullshit still leaves you with bullshit. I call bullshit on Holly ever spawning a piece of trash from the town idiot. [/quote] I appreciate you have a right to your opinion, but you did ask for thoughts and I gave my opinion. Sorry you don't like it. As for me being happy, I'd say I wasn't sad or mad. It's not awful. I appreciate that they tried to make Holly more sympathetic. I also wonder if some of the *mistakes* are setting something up in the future for Holly. RC does do things like that. What it would have taken to make it a much better story is tptb standing up and telling Geary this is your script- now say the words written and act like you like it. Instead of caving to his demands and issues with L&L. People wanted to see a HEA for L&L and they aren't getting it. and like the Commish- I feel badly that Emma is seeing all the negativity. She doesn't deserve some of the tweets people tag her in. esp about not remembering things. Some people might dislike Luke and dislike Tony Geary, but he is her friend. He taught her a lot when she started GH and she always says she owes him a debt of gratitude. It has to be frustrating for her to do good work- see Holly and Laura--- and all she gets is negativity.
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Post by robertluvsholly on Jul 4, 2015 22:49:53 GMT -5
I just saw the Genie Francis said she'd love to do a "Thelma and Louise" type story with Laura and Holly. I'd love to see more of their friendship!!
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Post by diane75 on Jul 5, 2015 3:04:00 GMT -5
I just saw the Genie Francis said she'd love to do a "Thelma and Louise" type story with Laura and Holly. I'd love to see more of their friendship!! [/quot] That would be cool. Where did she say this? And, does anyone know how long she'll be staying?
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Post by mike on Jul 5, 2015 14:15:49 GMT -5
Yes! I saw that too. Clearly Emma and Genie loved working together and want to do more. It's in the new SOD. I hope to pick it up tomorrow after work. A Holly/Laura adventure would be AWESOME!!
I do feel bad for Emma too with the negativity. From that SOD interview, it's clear she really thinks highly of Frank and Ron and really enjoys coming back under them.
I agree that I have nothing to feel mad about with this visit. I see some people saying Holly has been ruined further and I just don't see it. Except for some head-scratching lines about not knowing about Lucky (which can be explained from her severe head trauma) and not knowing Bill (which was explained as an error on Emma's end)---Holly was in character and kickass. She did NOT cheat on Robert and she and Robert are reunited at long last. That's all I've wanted for nearly 30 years so I'm good!
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Post by lakesgirl on Jul 6, 2015 15:07:58 GMT -5
I finally got to watch the Holly scenes on youtube. I'm of the mindset that this visit was fine. It didn't do much harm but didn't really fix anything either. It's always nice to see Emma. But I hated that Ethan remained a Spencer. Ugh. Oh well. It looks like they're going to reunite Luke & Tracy instead of Luke & Laura so we can be miserable with the L&L fans.
I'm sort of removed from this show now. It's awful. It's so convoluted and seems to feature all the characters I can't stand. There doesn't seem to be anyone that does history checks. Hello google. Wake me when we get a new regime.
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Post by robertluvsholly on Jul 6, 2015 20:39:55 GMT -5
I finally got to watch the Holly scenes on youtube. I'm of the mindset that this visit was fine. It didn't do much harm but didn't really fix anything either. It's always nice to see Emma. But I hated that Ethan remained a Spencer. Ugh. Oh well. It looks like they're going to reunite Luke & Tracy instead of Luke & Laura so we can be miserable with the L&L fans. I'm sort of removed from this show now. It's awful. It's so convoluted and seems to feature all the characters I can't stand. There doesn't seem to be anyone that does history checks. Hello google. Wake me when we get a new regime. I just don't think ethan's parentage could change while TG was in the building. <sigh> but at least R&H weren't together and they kinda made it post coma. Although Luke is a bigger ass for not telling Robert that Holly was alive.
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Post by scorpio2011 on Jul 7, 2015 12:21:26 GMT -5
[quote author=" robertluvsholly" source="/post/21362/thread"I just don't think ethan's parentage could change while TG was in the building. <sigh> but at least R&H weren't together and they kinda made it post coma. Although Luke is a bigger ass for not telling Robert that Holly was alive.[/quote] Hmmm funny in all this new crap and rewrite of the rewrite, the bold never entered my mind ... and now I hate Luke even more. Lousy
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Post by crazy4zen on Jul 7, 2015 21:43:51 GMT -5
I finally got to watch the Holly scenes on youtube. I'm of the mindset that this visit was fine. It didn't do much harm but didn't really fix anything either. It's always nice to see Emma. But I hated that Ethan remained a Spencer. Ugh. Oh well. It looks like they're going to reunite Luke & Tracy instead of Luke & Laura so we can be miserable with the L&L fans. I'm sort of removed from this show now. It's awful. It's so convoluted and seems to feature all the characters I can't stand. There doesn't seem to be anyone that does history checks. Hello google. Wake me when we get a new regime. I just don't think ethan's parentage could change while TG was in the building. <sigh> but at least R&H weren't together and they kinda made it post coma. Although Luke is a bigger ass for not telling Robert that Holly was alive. Maybe Luke considered it payback for that horrible crime R&H committed against him in 1983...you know moving on with their lives when he let them think he was dead. RME I didn't watch, but I am glad that Holly didn't cheat on Robert to conceive Ethan.
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