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Post by rhda8386 on Jan 8, 2010 17:25:03 GMT -5
I agree, what Luke did to Holly was borderline abuse. I never could see how anyone liked them as a couple. They had a few nice scenes together but for the most part he was either screaming at her or shoving her around. I think some people may have liked them initially for the same reason they liked RnH ... it ended the threat of him ending up with Jackie! Seriously, though, maybe people just liked Holly and since everything she did was with Luke it translated into that. Is this out of character for him, though? I know he's a hothead, I know he raped Laura, but all the grabbing and shaking and threatening to beat her?! I remember him getting angry with Laura and Connie, but don't really recall this level of physical contact/threats ... I mean, has he even behaved this way with Helena?
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Post by lakesgirl on Jan 8, 2010 17:30:40 GMT -5
I agree, what Luke did to Holly was borderline abuse. I never could see how anyone liked them as a couple. They had a few nice scenes together but for the most part he was either screaming at her or shoving her around. I think some people may have liked them initially for the same reason they liked RnH ... it ended the threat of him ending up with Jackie! Seriously, though, maybe people just liked Holly and since everything she did was with Luke it translated into that. Is this out of character for him, though? I know he's a hothead, I know he raped Laura, but all the grabbing and shaking and threatening to beat her?! I remember him getting angry with Laura and Connie, but don't really recall this level of physical contact/threats ... I mean, has he even behaved this way with Helena? No, I don't think so. I think what is happening at the time is that Tony Geary is THE MAN! He is the undisputed king of daytime. He has his choice of leading ladies and what he wants to do with them. We know Tony likes Luke dark and these are some of the choices he made and Gloria let him do it. It's edgy and it "challenges" viewers. We also know Tony did his bedroom scenes NAKED with Emma. I think that's why Luke is rough with Holly - because Tony liked Luke like that. JMO.
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Post by *Robert-Holly-Fan* on Jan 9, 2010 0:45:23 GMT -5
I think some people may have liked them initially for the same reason they liked RnH ... it ended the threat of him ending up with Jackie! Seriously, though, maybe people just liked Holly and since everything she did was with Luke it translated into that. Is this out of character for him, though? I know he's a hothead, I know he raped Laura, but all the grabbing and shaking and threatening to beat her?! I remember him getting angry with Laura and Connie, but don't really recall this level of physical contact/threats ... I mean, has he even behaved this way with Helena? No, I don't think so. I think what is happening at the time is that Tony Geary is THE MAN! He is the undisputed king of daytime. He has his choice of leading ladies and what he wants to do with them. We know Tony likes Luke dark and these are some of the choices he made and Gloria let him do it. It's edgy and it "challenges" viewers. We also know Tony did his bedroom scenes NAKED with Emma. I think that's why Luke is rough with Holly - because Tony liked Luke like that. JMO. Poor Emma. For many reasons I won't state here, that just creeps me out!!
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Post by rhda8386 on Jan 9, 2010 12:11:38 GMT -5
I think some people may have liked them initially for the same reason they liked RnH ... it ended the threat of him ending up with Jackie! Seriously, though, maybe people just liked Holly and since everything she did was with Luke it translated into that. Is this out of character for him, though? I know he's a hothead, I know he raped Laura, but all the grabbing and shaking and threatening to beat her?! I remember him getting angry with Laura and Connie, but don't really recall this level of physical contact/threats ... I mean, has he even behaved this way with Helena? No, I don't think so. I think what is happening at the time is that Tony Geary is THE MAN! He is the undisputed king of daytime. He has his choice of leading ladies and what he wants to do with them. We know Tony likes Luke dark and these are some of the choices he made and Gloria let him do it. It's edgy and it "challenges" viewers. We also know Tony did his bedroom scenes NAKED with Emma. I think that's why Luke is rough with Holly - because Tony liked Luke like that. JMO. Oh yuck; I know the sleeping bag scene when he wakes up alone is supposed to be nude; but all of them? How do we know this? Um, that's sexual harassment, dude ... is he always naked in all love scenes with all women or was this some sort of new trick he tried with ES?! And if we consider the age difference, the fact that he had so much power on the show, etc. it's just really wrong on many levels.
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Post by lakesgirl on Jan 9, 2010 13:35:23 GMT -5
No, I don't think so. I think what is happening at the time is that Tony Geary is THE MAN! He is the undisputed king of daytime. He has his choice of leading ladies and what he wants to do with them. We know Tony likes Luke dark and these are some of the choices he made and Gloria let him do it. It's edgy and it "challenges" viewers. We also know Tony did his bedroom scenes NAKED with Emma. I think that's why Luke is rough with Holly - because Tony liked Luke like that. JMO. Oh yuck; I know the sleeping bag scene when he wakes up alone is supposed to be nude; but all of them? How do we know this? Um, that's sexual harassment, dude ... is he always naked in all love scenes with all women or was this some sort of new trick he tried with ES?! And if we consider the age difference, the fact that he had so much power on the show, etc. it's just really wrong on many levels. Tony Geary has said in many interviews (and Emma has confirmed this) that he was naked in at least one of his love scenes with Emma. I know the clip is on youtube - I may have to look for it. But at that time, 1982, TG was huge. It was right after L&L, and I'm sure he was basking a lot in the fame. Why not do your love scenes naked? I think there's an interview with TG and ES (for the 20th anniversary) where TG says to ES that she didn't laugh and ES responds that she didn't look. LOL. Love Emma!
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Post by tidewater on Jan 9, 2010 14:17:32 GMT -5
I have read in an interview where Emma says that Tony asked her first if it was okay if he was naked during loves scenes because that's the way he likes to do it and she said fine.
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Post by mike on Jan 9, 2010 23:50:38 GMT -5
I did like Luke and Holly alot. I think it was for some of the reasons that have been stated such as Luke and Jackie were just awful. Actually, everything about GH was awful when Genie left. That whole David Gray/Sword of Malkuth story, the Templeton sisters----it was all such a convoluted mess.
That day Luke went hiking on the mountain---I will just never forget it. The fact that it was a location shoot told me something special had to be happening. I couldn't believe they would go on location just to show Luke hiking. You could feel that something important was coming right around the corner----and then---BAM--there she was. Holly Sutton skinny dipping.
This gorgeous stranger with the British accent---GH turned a corner right then and there. The oil scam was a great story---grounded in reality (a bunch of con artists is a little more believable then some mystical sword from some mythical land) and it still allowed for a tremendous amount of adventure and action.
I thought Tony and Emma had wonderful chemistry but yeah, a big part of it was falling for Holly so hard myself---the show getting so much better with her arrival and no Luke and Jackie ! And they had the song---Baby Come to Me---loved that song dearly ! I thought Holly was the next best thing for Luke after Laura so I (oddly enough) had a hard time letting go of Luke and Holly while Robert and Holly were falling in love. But I did. Nothing could stand in the way of the juggernaut that was Robert and Holly's love. I didn't stand a chance.
But I did really like Luke and Holly and still have a soft spot there. But I prefer their friendship----not Holly still wanting him in the here and now.
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Post by laura on Jan 10, 2010 12:57:35 GMT -5
Luke and Holly was an forgettable pairing to me.I didn't care about them oneway or another. And I really didn't even take to Holly not until she start spending time with Robert.That when I notice her and knew that I wanted them together, because they looked so good.And it was easy to like R&H when we had Robert trying to help her and giving her moral support even when it was nothing more than that.
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Post by laura on Jan 10, 2010 13:03:05 GMT -5
I have read in an interview where Emma says that Tony asked her first if it was okay if he was naked during loves scenes because that's the way he likes to do it and she said fine. Emma was just a newbie and Tony was consider the king of course she would've said she's fine with it.I would've said the exact same thing if I was in her position and really hated it.
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Post by tidewater on Jan 10, 2010 13:09:38 GMT -5
So did Tony do this (doing his bed scenes naked) with an even younger Genie Francis. Wasn't she like 18 when they started doing love scenes together.
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Post by lakesgirl on Jan 10, 2010 13:26:44 GMT -5
So did Tony do this (doing his bed scenes naked) with an even younger Genie Francis. Wasn't she like 18 when they started doing love scenes together. I don't believe he did. Well at least I've never read anything on it. But Tony was very vocal that he did he love scenes naked with Emma. And I agree, Laura, if I was a newbie and asked by the king of daytime if I minded if he did the scene nude, I probably would have said I was fine with it too. But like Emma, I probably wouldn't have looked. LOL.
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Post by laura on Jan 10, 2010 13:38:29 GMT -5
So did Tony do this (doing his bed scenes naked) with an even younger Genie Francis. Wasn't she like 18 when they started doing love scenes together. Nope..TG said in a interview that Genie Francis said no way to him doing nude scenes with her.Tony was the king,but Genie was the queen.
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Post by robertluvsholly on Jan 10, 2010 14:52:58 GMT -5
So did Tony do this (doing his bed scenes naked) with an even younger Genie Francis. Wasn't she like 18 when they started doing love scenes together. Nope..TG said in a interview that Genie Francis said no way to him doing nude scenes with her.Tony was the king,but Genie was the queen. I heard that too-- that he didn't do nude scenes with Genie. I didn't think he had asked her. Good for her! Genie was only like 17 or so when Luke and Laura were initially together. Him being nude would have really been wrong. Poor Emma was so new on the show, she probably didn't really have a choice.
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Post by 1983 on Jan 10, 2010 15:26:07 GMT -5
I really dont understand why tony geary insisted on doing those scenes naked. What was the point? Why would he do that to a newbie and make them feel uncomfortable?
I do agree with Mike I can remember watching GH the summer of 82 when Holly arrived and was very intrigued about what was going to happen between luke and this new woman. My favorite scenes were the scenes in Victoria I can distictly remember Holly playing baby come to me on the piano while luke whisled the tune. I think that is one scene that I remembered over all these years. The whole Luke and Holly storyline was the perfect set up for what I think is the greatest love story ever told in daytime. The whole Robert/Holly/luke triangle. If GH would have played their cards right there could have been a good triangle in 92 with Holly/Robert/Anna with Holly winning in the end of course.
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Post by Giada on Jan 12, 2010 4:52:53 GMT -5
We also know Tony did his bedroom scenes NAKED with Emma. I didn't know this! On the other hand I don't remember an hot kiss between these two, even in the tub scene between Holly and Bill. Nothing like RnH's kisses
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